What do you think of the new name?

It sounds dumb, I'll continue to call the game Banjo Kazooie 3

For the shear reason I'm upset with where this game is going I also will call this game Banjo Kazooie 3. I mean for Humba Wumba's sake its got the word Nuts in the title.

I dont think I've been this angry and offended by a game before...

Haha, it's just a name... and you haven't even played it yet. I like your signature though.

I dont care what its called because I probably wont ever stop calling it Banjo Threeie anyway.

I take that back, I'll call this Banjo-Suckie, since this really isn't BK 3. Its another game in disguise.

I hear that. This dosn't look like a terrible game. It looks sort of fun. However, it does NOT look like a banjo game. To say that this game is a banjo sequel that went in a different direction is to say that Halo is a Mario Bros sequel that went in a different direction. This game is now just titled: Nuts and Bolts. Slap another character onto this and you have yourself an entirely different franchise.

Looks absolutely awful.

Banjo Threeie sounded better. As for the game the vehicle building & use WTF!where did the classic platformer Banjo go? I'm still extremely skeptical.

I think it looks awesome. New, original and beautifull, but I still hope they can make it feel like Banjo-Kazooie, and not just a new game with them as main characters...

...At least there's still Resident Evil 5 to look foreward to...I know Capcom WONT F*** that one up!

For people new to the franchise, Banjo-Threeie would be an awful title because they wouldn't know much about the past games. All of the sudden a new game pops up, and somehow it's the third game in the franchise. So I see the title being for those who have never heard of Banjo-Kazooie. Having said that, Nuts and Bolts just sounds like a take on Ratchet and Clank. Which is really cheap, in my opinion. But what would be a better title other than Threeie and Nuts and Bolts?

I think the game is gonna be great Rare has outdone themselves.

to all who care about Banjo or Rare, read this.

this abomination needs to be stopped. We need to email about 1000000 emails and let Rare know we didn't wait 8 years for this. This will ruin Banjo games. here is what we as Banjo fans have to do. WE have to email Rare at editor@rareware.com and let them know why we hate their new ideas and completely changing what made Kazooie and Tooie so special to us

Don't stop here, If you have any friends who are Rare fans, show them this message. Re-post this on several forums, Don't let Banjo Kazooie fall the way of Sonic the Hedgehog and Donkey Kong.

..I'd have to side with billyandrockys idea on that.

If you do care, then please help us. Me and Joe Text are both doing this campaign. The game looks fun, But its not Banjo. I waited 8 years for BANJO. not another game with Banjo's ass slapped on it.

To all people who think Banjo Kazooie 3 sucks!

The game industrie has to adjust itself year by year to adress as much consumers as possible. Especially because there are a lot of software pirates out there who make it hard for them to survive. Theres no way to stay on one level just because there are some people who are a bit too nostalgic.

If Rare would stick to you guys they can close down their company because they wouldn't make any profit.

I just can't understand you guys don't wonna understand.

Bye the way... the game will be f*****g great and the Name is really cool.

Don't call this piece of ###### BK3. It's not. and about 90% of true Banjo fans agree. Not the Rare fanboys who such as yourself who thought Ghoulies was the single most amazing game ever. We wanted a Banjo game, not some new action-vehicle ######. Or did all of you forget what happened last time a game that shouldn't have had vehicles did? It looked kinda like this

How can you say who are the true Banjo Fans and do you have any proof that it is 90 % who agree with you. Did you do a very expensive market analysis? And Ghoulis was not very successful, that is a fact i can proof.
Try to be a bit more objective and give proofs of what you say. You're just upset and emotionally mixed. If you don't like the game you just don't fit the big target group Rare has researched. That's it. There's nothing you can do about it and you shouldn't weight it that much as you do right now. Just leave it to your own good.

Actually it reminds me of dozens of parents who dont like our music today. Its the same with them. Their "generation" is over if they cant adapt themselves.

you are (*******) pathetic, seriously, this game looks ace, as a general rule rare fans are a bunch of (Zenedit for naughty word) and i dont care if this gets me band becuase id be happy enough to never visit this site again if its going to be an endelss stream of weak ares atemps to get rare to change a game the shouldnt change, " oh pelase rare ill kill myself if you dont make bajo threeie just like my fan boy wet dreams" some tard said he cried when he saw teh banjo trailer. But at the end of the day i feel sorry for rare, becuase there fans have mostly amounted to be a bunch of cunts who try and stifle there creativity far more than microsoft ever has, oh please rare just keep churning out a bunch of banjo clones, i love rare beucase of their qualirty and orginality, and not becuase the mae games to suit a few pitiful old school fans. I hope rare do read this, and point and laugh and say finaly this will get thoes waster fans who do nothing but bitch and finaly we can jus keep the fans who understand and appreciate the time effort and creativty that going into something truly new and worth playing

(Zenek- this won't get you banned, mate. I totally agree with you. I wouldn't say that the majority of Rare fans are, but the LOUD OBNOXIOUS MINORITY are. Right on, mate. )

R-yeah? and why they're making a sequel to Viva Pinata ? I mean that wasn't a money maker.

Why would more people buy this Banjo because of that Crappy name and those crappy vehicle feature? 8 years have been a long time and those vehicles just delayed the release and even the concept of " banjo 3"

Viva piniata has a lot of potential to bind young players. There is a TV Show and I think they are even planning to introduce some kind of barcode unlocking system. To give Viva Pinata as an example is not suitable. We all know that they normally dont try to bring out a franchise that sold very poor. Ghoulis for example.
Bye the way. Im pretty sure that Viva pinata 1 has good sales. I remember Rare confirmed that in a few interviews.

Why is no one seeing that you cant just have a plain old platformer anymore?
Yes there is car building.
Yes its a pretty big focus.
Even if you "hardecore Banjo fans" would rather have it EXACTLY like it was back in the 90s, the truth is you are a minor opinion to the gaming public. This is the age of innovation with games. If you like at all the criticly loved games the past few years they are almost all games with a new twist to them. Even me who loves the BK fanchise to death doesnt want just what worked before.
And hey Rares had a rough patch but lately they've been doing good. I think they know what they are doing and I'm glad they are taking this risk.

To any one who thinks they can change the new Banjo game don't try it. Sure the game play is different, but we might actually like it so get with the program Rare doesn't work for Nintendo anymore so just except it try the game out first then complain to Rare because I hope Rare doesn't change the game just because of Banjo-fans who won't give the game chance.

Ok Ok calm down people. There are a couple of things i'd like to point out here:

1. Ever since this new content has been revealed, the forums activity has doubled.

2. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT judge a game before you've actually PLAYED it. You might be hating on it and Rare now but come release time they'll be bending over for you to kiss their gold encrusted asses after you've scrambled around town looking for a copy.

If Gregg Mayles thinks it's the best direction for the game to go in, then I'm in. I trust him.

Same here I trust Gregg as much as I would trust a good friend, and I thank the people who agree with me on the judgement on Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts remember don't judge a game till you played it.

I just sent this email to Rare

I sent an email telling you my criticisms for BK:N&B. But the other day I had an idea, you guys could make a proper BK3 once BK:N&B was done! Rare, I'm sorry but you just lost about half of your fans when you unveiled Nuts and Bolts, Because although the game looks great, its not a Banjo game. You even said it yourselves. It was a different game with Banjo's face slapped on it. But I'm sure a lot of fans would lighten up on this matter if you announced a proper BK3 for the 360 or heck, even the DS! Mario 64 DS proved the DS can handle traditional 3D platforming, so why not Banjo? You can, and all the Nintendo fanboys who loved Kazooie and Tooie will buy the game, and sales for Nuts and Bolts might go up if you make a proper Banjo! It would please the fans, Nintendo fans would buy it in an instant, and you guys would make lots of money! Everybody wins!

Who agrees?

I agree. This game will be fun. And if you really give it a try you wont regret it.
I think in your hysteria you missed to realize the fact that Grant Kirkhope is doing most of the music in the game.

It Looks awful....I can`t believe they are destroying the franchise with this vehicle crap...BRING BACK THE PROPER B&K...Classic Platforming action....I`ve been waiting for this for Years

There must be some reason for calling it Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts. There is proabably some joke behind it that will be a major component of the game. Also maybe because it is called Nuts & Bolts that would leave me to believe the majority of the game is played using those vehicles including the last boss minigames if there are any. I too am very suspicous of this game I don't like it one bit. I haven't played a game like Mario 64/BK for a long time and have been waiting so diligently for one of those games and we apparently aren't going to get it.
I could really care less about the title of the game. At first I thought Banjo-Tooie didn't sound good, but at least you could say it fast, now we will have too say Bk: N&B to avoid confusion not just BK3 (which many will do anyways)

To be totally honest. I really don't care for Banjo that much, but for Rare this could be one of their last Hurrahs. They better make it a good one. I'm not too sure about the direction they're taking this one in, but I can tell you one thing and that is, it's worth the wait.

I'm definitely hyping over this one, after all it is a Rare game. Maybe it won't be too bad, I just hope it won't disappoint me like Conker: Live and Reloaded did..

Oh and maybe they'll undergo a name change like they did with Conker...I dunno, just some skepticism for you.

Why is everyone disappointed over L&R? I thought it was great.

same here buddy I think L&R was a great success.

NO Offence but if you were a teenager you probably enjoyed it..for the rest of us we were playing Battlefield and UT3

Great success? I'm not saying it was horrible, I'd say it was at most 'alright', but I did enjoy the story mode with the updated graphics, it's just that the game didn't deliver like the original did and to call the game a big success is way too over granting. IMO

Well, I was 15 at the time, so.

The game was new to me when I got L&R. So it was an amazing experience. But I think we can all agree the N64 consists of classic games that really can't be topped, for the most part.

Most of the pro-Rare/Banjo people in this topic can't even spell, and they want us to take their opinions seriously? ###### , if you cannot even type proper English then why should anyone lay credence to your opinions.

Honestly, if you can't speak properly then, maybe you don't think properly.

Apparently a game devoid of heritage is the same as a language devoid of heritage as well.

How can anyone take you guys seriously?

Sorry, maybe a little heavy handed in my delivery there.

I am one of those people that have "stuck by Rare" only to be disappointed time and time again.

GBTG, CLAR, Plastic Dork Hero and now Banjo-Kazooie "Butts and Nuts" What the hell is happening?

When Rare was with Nintendo they pushed the boundaries of both the hardware and the content of their games. Now with Microsoft they are totally selling out to the younger generation and trying to garner the soft core gamers. What the hell for? In Conkers Bad fur Day it opened with Conker shredding the Ninty logo with a chainsaw and replacing it with the Rare logo, why? They were saying, "Hey, we are hardcore" and Ninty sucks butts and nuts.

Rare with Nintendo was "in your face".

Rare with Microsoft is, appeasement and marketing strategy with no clue.

QUOTE(shawnsim @ May 30 2008, 08:25 PM)

Sorry, maybe a little heavy handed in my delivery there.

I am one of those people that have "stuck by Rare" only to be disappointed time and time again.

GBTG, CLAR, Plastic Dork Hero and now Banjo-Kazooie "Butts and Nuts" What the hell is happening?

When Rare was with Nintendo they pushed the boundaries of both the hardware and the content of their games. Now with Microsoft they are totally selling out to the younger generation and trying to garner the soft core gamers. What the hell for? In Conkers Bad fur Day it opened with Conker shredding the Ninty logo with a chainsaw and replacing it with the Rare logo, why? They were saying, "Hey, we are hardcore" and Ninty sucks butts and nuts.

Rare with Nintendo was "in your face".

Rare with Microsoft is, appeasement and marketing strategy with no clue.

This is exactly how I feel; it's as though they've taken all their previous hits, lit them on fire and pissed on the ashes. To me they've completely sold themselves out, unless Microsoft is instructing them to take their projects in the direction of casual gamers (kiddy games), in which case, Microsoft lose my respect.

Rare aren't getting any of my money on this one; I've been let down too many times.

I'd have to agree with you guys. I find it hard to be loyal to a company that hasn't been very loyal to us the last few years...

I remember when I first got an xbox I was so excited to get Ghoulies but then I quickly found out why the game got such low scores..and then a couple years later when Conker L+R came out I was really looking foreward to it, but then I found myself to be disapointed again. Conker wasn't that bad of a game I really liked the re-done single player but the multiplayer felt really half assed and tacked on at the last minute.

When I got my 360 the very first game I got for that was PDZ, which I was very dispointed by, but thats self explainatory. Kameo was a step in the right direction and Rare did some things half way right with that game. Viva Pinata I don't even want to talk about and I wish the game never existed. It doesn't help too much to know that they are making even more games for the franchise..

But anyways, Rare hasn't kept a good track record recently and I think IMO as long as there with Microsoft they will never regain thier glory. I lost a lot of respect for Rare. The Rare we all once knew is dead and gone.

Just because Rare isn't stuck in the Nintendo days doesn't mean they are dead.

And I love Rare. I think they are almost stronger now then they were in the N64 days. But I do think that a good ten or so years down the line Rare will either be a 3rd party developer or possibly non-existent. But it's not because they are weak, and it's not because they aren't what they used to be, it's because they aren't "free". Rare will slowing get smoldered until they are useless. That is unless Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts shows Microsoft in sales that Rare can make some money. Only then will Microsoft give Rare back their wings.

All of this, of course, my opinions and my predictions.

Trouble in Paradise and Nuts and Bolts is the only thing that can save Rare right now. The first Viva Pinata was amazing imagine the second version. Nuts and Bolts can also save Rare, but people are giving up on Banjo and Kazooie just because two lousy videos and a few pictures. Hopefully people are willing to give Nuts and Bolts a try.

Wow, and I thought when Banjo-Kazooie came out there was a big enough debate over it for looking "too kiddy" and that the game would suck. And it ended up selling well.

I mean, I'll be honest. This game is a whole new turn and was the last thing I expected out of a BK game. But really, who knows if it'll suck or not? If I'm correct, Rare may have taken a risky move like this by changing this Platform game to adjust to this generation's audience. I don't know about the old generation fans though, I'm noticing some are slightly adjusting to the game's new features to its genre. And it's pretty obvious as well that some fans are not gonna move on because it's not the same BK from the past or what not.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the old BK series; the unforgettable gameplay, the adventures, collecting everything in the game dozens of times, maybe messing around with the game by trying to find SNS... And so forth and so on, whatever everybody loved about the two early games. IMO, I think everybody should give this game a chance, it might be appealing, even though I have a feeling it won't be as appealing as the old ones, but who can change that? That era was then, and it's not now.

All of you should be noticing the games of today are very different from the 1990's. And so, like just some last words.. Like, if you want to avoid any sheer dissapointment, like some of you are experiencing right now, I wouldn't be holding expectations high enough for it to be the next Ocarina of Time (or whichever game you think is the greatest lol) for a game nowdays.

I'll buy the game, even if it has a silly title and the gameplay feels weird at first. Then I'll properly judge it then, so I will know I wasn't judging a book by its cover. If it gets a good score, great, if it doesn't... Rare tried.

"I think they are almost stronger now then they were in the N64 days."

OK, I have new opinions on BK3 (refuse to call it Nuts and Bolts.) But that comment is Bull######. VP is the only game that has captured Rare's old magic. So saying Grabbed by the Ghoulies and PDZ are as good or better as PD, CBFD, BK, BT, DKC etc. Seems like an insult.

Little rant aside, I'm actually listening to what the BK3 supporters are saying, I just played BK 100% again and as I type I'm working on BT. As long as the game has it's old charm and feels like a real Banjo game, then I'm happy. What convinced me of this was playing Zelda II again. It's even more different from the original than BK3 is. And yet it still feels like a genuine Zelda game to me. But the simple truth is no one knows how the game will turn out. It could be Rare's best game since BFD or their worst since Ghoulies. Nobody knows.

"Just because Rare isn't stuck in the Nintendo days doesn't mean they are dead.

And I love Rare. I think they are almost stronger now then they were in the N64 days. But I do think that a good ten or so years down the line Rare will either be a 3rd party developer or possibly non-existent. But it's not because they are weak, and it's not because they aren't what they used to be, it's because they aren't "free". Rare will slowing get smoldered until they are useless. That is unless Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts shows Microsoft in sales that Rare can make some money. Only then will Microsoft give Rare back their wings.

All of this, of course, my opinions and my predictions."


I won't be surprised if Rare goes out of buisness 10 years from now. I mean they already lost a good majority of thier devs like 10 years ago after Goldeneye was released.

Not to mention the Stamper bros already left the company last year. Rare are really on thier last leg.

I respect your opinion but I completely disagree.

I never said PDZ was better than any of the N64 classics. I've been playing campaign on PDZ a lot recently and I now see how great the game is and though it's incredibly cheesey and cartoony it still retains the Perfect Dark feel.

But I will be bold in saying (IMO) that GBTG is better than DK64. I didn't like that game other than level design and music. It wan't fun to me.

I personally believe that Rare is ALMOST stronger now then they were with Nintendo because they aren't sticking to platformers. They are taking risks by inventing new games and morphing gaming genres in to something fresh. If Rare can inovate and succeed, then they are strong. If they want to be like other big developers *cough*Bungie*cough* and just add junk to their old stuff again and again, then they are weak.

Again, my opinions and observations.

Oh well, everyone to their own.