Everyone unanimous with this..???

Nuts and Bolts is very much so a platformer, given it's a new twist. Reword your statement for the removal of vehicles and reinstatement of classic bear and bird moves

I'm with you that a straight up classic Banjo and Kazooie would of been better, yet I applaud Rare for the effort on innovating the otherwise dead classic platforming formula.

Please, a platformer implies it has actual platforming in it. Nuts and Bolts is a vehicle based adventure. And a very very flawed one at that.

I'll stick to my guns, it is a platformer, given not the same platformers you remember from your childhood. Not everything remains constant, you should all know this. Lets just pray the next one is done right.

Or instead, we can get over the fact that N+B wasn't like the originals and appreciate it for the game it is.

I appreciate it for what it is. But it's like the Crash Bandicoot Racing of the Banjo franchise. It's a good game, but everyone would of preferred a straight up sequel true to the roots.

Doesn't stop me from enjoying the game, anyone who says it's a bad game is just letting their bias emotions get the best of them.

I wouldn't say that's necessarily a bad thing. Mario Kart managed to pull off the 'spin-off' concept pretty well.

But then again, they were still making Mario adventure games at the time.

Ya know....I`m not biased...well again then I guess I am for wanting the same hit that I`ve had twice before...I caressed Banjo Kazooie & Tooie like I would a child of my own ...........

I felt the need to explore every single avenue the game threw at me, and collect every stupid note RARE expected me to.....Don`t ask me to apologise for feeling the way I and thousands of other players did........We just did, ok.....lets get it right next time........


Here`s hoping there is..

Well, the way I look at it Nuts & Bolts was almost the most natural 3rd console outing. "Huh?!" says the reader out loud, (Sitting in his/her Jango Fett underoos nearly spilling their Tab).

Think about it: The reason people were "upset" about Tooie was that it was a sequel that had all of the charm, humor, visuals, and musical power of the first, but was an adventure played unlike it's predecessor.
B-K was a fairly simple and (I'll admit it) easy platformer under the collect Jiggies, unlock world, repeat, fight Grunty/win quiz. B-T was a vast and more complicated platformer under the same basic mission plan of Jiggies & Witch stomping. N&B was a huge game with a constantly sliding difficulty curve that used the vehicle as an extension of Banjo, Jiggies, unlock worlds, Gruntbags, etc.

Point is, the Banjo series NEVER HAD A FREAKING PATTERN OF GAMEPLAY. The pattern was the repeat character visits, musical score, story, simple item collection like Notes and such, and an epic final battle with Gruntilda.

No, it wasn't "Good for a Banjo game" it was an awesome game. Period.
When you REALLY conisder that there's NEVER been a signature "Banjo" gameplay that's been dragged constantly over the games, and that's what should be. I don't want the same B-K with new worlds over-and-over until it's as stale as Mario's titles. Thank goodness that Rare actually KEEPS the universe of their characters in continuity & progresses into inovative and FUN ways to play in them.

Then again, I really wanted a Leaky the Bucket cameo...

-Zenek

Zenek, I realize you bring a pure charm to this forum full of b*tching and whining when the only thing you can complain about is the lack of a bucket. I do hope you dont become grumpy in the future.

Zenek I most definately want to some of what you`re on...NEVER in my life have I read SUCH DRIVEL .....The Banjo games have no pattern to their gameplay, WTF!!!!!!!!

Then you go on to accept that it is, by reeling all the elements that existed in both games..

Bottom line I played and thousands of others played the TOOIE on the premise that it played out mostly as the first one did, that`s why we (*******) bought it (of course the characters, sig tunes and humour were a part of the enjoyment)...but (BLEEP) me it`s the Genre we love.!!!!!

how blinkered you really are Zenek...

Pure undiluted 3D platforming....

Woah, take it easy guys. You may have a difference in opinion but that's no reason to get cruddy with each other.

Anyway, I kind of think this thread was made for the sole purpose of flaming, one way or another. I think every post of Radski's that I've read so far has been some sort of swearing rubbish about how he hates N+B and never justifies why.

Really, we get it. You don't like the new gameplay. The solution? Don't play the game.

Most civil people like myself are fine with people having an opinion thats different to their own, how ever they are not fine with people being angry, calling them things and trying to hurt their feelings when their opinion is different to them.

Banjo in my honest opinion didn't really have a "pattern" in gameplay, Banjo-Tooie felt as a natural evolution of Banjo-Kazooie, where as Nuts and Bolts felt like a change just for the sake of it. It went from Moves straight to Vehicles, with no transition involved what so ever, all of a sudden most of Banjo and Kazooie's moves were dropped and most of the game requires you to operate a vehicle.

The change was nice, I'm not saying that it was a let down, unlike games such as Conker where you guys actually screwed up a remake. But a massive change is what puts most old fans off from the series.

I did enjoy the game, but not as much as I could of.

I am almost positive I remember reading that Tooie wasnt as loved as the first because it was too similar....I just cant remember where.

Well Tooie still reached classic staus with plus 90% scores across the boards....Proved it still what people wanted




I deal in facts not OPINIONS.....or Bull....thanks

You need to tone it down a little bit bub. This is a civil forum, thanks. No one here is out for blood, so just calm it on down.

When you say that I think you're saying that only your opinion matters and your opinion is considered a fact.

I bought the game because it was Banjo, the same reason why I bought Grunty's Revenge, Pilot and then Nuts and Bolts. If I bought the game because of the gameplay, then I would have also bought all the games in the Jak & Daxter, Rachet & Clank and Sly Racoon series. I grew to love the characters in Banjo along side Crash Bandicoot and Super Mario, but those other games I mentioned, not so much. Same when they revamped the Spyro series. Before The Legend of Spyro series, I loved the characters, then they did a complete overhaul of the series and the only characters they left were Spyro and Sparx, and I didn't really like it.

Banjo Pilot was fun because it had the Banjo characters and humour, it is far from being a platformer. I don't normally buy racing games, especially for the Gameboy, but I bought that game because of Banjo, loved it.

Same reason why I bought Nuts and Bolts, but I didn't play it much because it looked terrible in Standard Definition TVs, which is what I play in until I get an HD Capture Device. (the Hauppauge I'm looking at getting costs well over $300, it does a real nice job though).

Haven't gotten around to playing it, I'm more for music games at the moment. But I've been playing The Simpsons Hit and Run a bit recently, fun fun fun.

Yeah but that was in a time when people still were hung on 3D platformers. Nowadays the general public wont look twice at something that is JUST a 3D platformer no matter how good it is. I mean I've seen people complain about Super Mario Galaxy because it was just another Mario platformer. =(

I loled because you are dealing with opinions, not facts, so that statement was bull.


Exactly. I mean, it was 8 years since the last Banjo game and times have changed. Rare tried to stay like themselves on XBox and they failed at it commercially. They have to try different stuff because they're catering for a different audience. Despite it being what you want, Radski, they can't just keep recycling their stuff because people want NEW CONTENT.

Having said that, I still love the traditional platformer, including Super Mario Galaxy...

Ok lets get the facts out of the way

Super Mario Galaxy which comes out on top with worldwide sales of 8,100,000

Sales figures for Nuts & Bolts as of May 2009, 500,000. (Shocking)

Nobody moaned about yet another 3D platformer with Mario sunshine, people still very much enjoy them in the 21st century, I`m now waiting for the "Well it is Mario" ..no, bullshine first and formost it`s 3d platforming in the mold of the excellent Mario 64 & Banjo games..... people still want them, the good ones anyway.....
Jak and daxter, Ratchet & Clank etc etc offer a much more linear experience than the Banjos and the Mario`s every gamer and his dog knows this...But even so a lot of the more linear 3d platforming romps not only have sold many more copies than Nuts & Bolts but have also recieved much better press.............

You can Sugar coat it all you want the point is, incidently I made pre release, RARE took the formula tried to do something way too drastically different, therefore alienating a lot of core fans...who may now have a sour taste in their mouths.

Its mario, thars why they bought it.

The only reason why games from the simpsons had any success was because they are simpson characters.

The games all bombed, except for hit and run, that game I really enjoy.

I actually disagree with that. I've found the Simpsons games to be consistently good, which is really bizarre for it being a game based off a TV show.

I remember loving Bart VS The World to death on NES (despite jumping and running being the same button, rawr). Bart VS The Space Mutants wasn't bad either. Loved The Simpsons: Hit and Run, naturally. The Simpsons Game was boring at the start, but got progressively more and more funny (particularly in the game-rip-off levels).

Love it, Rads has 78 posts, all of them are something along the lines of "Nuts and Bolts sucks dookey." Look Rads, I don't really like the game either, but trying to convince people that it sucks here is like trying to convince a church that god doesn't exist. It just can't be done. State your opinions respectfully or GTFO.

Read my last post.....

It took me a while but I eventually got REALLY into nuts and bolts. The whole vehicle creation thing became madly addicting, but at the end of the day the game just wasn't banjo.

So here's what I propose:
Return banjo closer to his roots, while still innovating. I'm not sure where Rare specifically would take the series, but I'd prefer whatever direction they take to have some more conventional platforming aspects to it.

We can't just let this vehicle creation system die though. I'd like to see Rare create a new IP that's better fitting for this sort of gameplay rather than trying to, metaphorically speaking, ram it down Banjo's throat.

Radski is probably just some dumb (Bad thing disposed of by yours truly) troll.

(-Zenek)

Yes, good glorious opportunity of platform delight game special in form of three hundred-sixty Xbox fun.

Who`s trolling who....therefore who`s the Dumb ******.....Go back to Roblox!!!!

We`re trying to have a conversation here!!!!!!

Calm down, go easy with your posts.

The platformer has been super popular since the first SMB came out. Be it 2D or 3D.
Only since the new generation came has the genre fallen. Rare tried to slide it back into popularity by altering it. It was a fantastic idea but the final product was falled.

I would be totally cool with the series going back to normal, or conducting the same idea, but perfecting it.

Nuts & Bolts sucked. I'm sorry, but I can't sugar-coat it. I liked maybe some of it, but the vehicle-making didn't appeal to me. I made tons of vehicles but the game was dull all throughout. The characters in the environment were "lifeless," so to say. Banjo-Kazooie and Tooie were truly memorable and the gameplay was wonderful. Nuts & Bolts, I just can't play it over and over again. I had to go back to Viva Pinata and Morrowind to get that reeaaal good gaming groove on.

Personally, I think Rare should return to platformers. Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Sunshine were VERY well-done. And I'm sure people bought not only because it was well, Mario, but also because of it's significant amount of gameplay value. Something that Nuts & Bolts lacks.

I'm starting to get into Nuts and Bolts to be perfrectly honest. I just think the damn game is complicated. Much, much more so than Tooie.

It can get very challenging, but the re-play value is just... It got boring after I did everything. I don't remember getting bored with Tooie or Kazooie once I beat them.

Am I the only one who can picture a Banjo Team member with his/her hands on their head sobbing to themselves that "THEY complained Ghoulies was TOO simple- NOW the new Banjo's TOO COMPLICATED?! AAAAARRRRGH!!!"

Ghoulies was awesome.

-Zenek

Oh I think Rare learned about unpleasable fanbases a LONG time ago.

Ghoulies was awesome. A few more gameplay features then it would have been amazing!

Nuts and Bolts is just way too complicated, seriously. They went all out on the GUI but didn't focus on the gaming itself. Good graphics don't make a good game. Take a look at most games today. Seriously.