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Hylian1
I have found some very in depth clues! Two of these clues in Banjo-Kazooie are very surprising! Here are the clues I have found after searching for hours and hours so far:

1)There are red, blue, yellow, and pink colored flowers in front of Banjo's house. That's the same colors as 4 of the eggs!

2)The colors of the Jinjos (with the exception of the orange Jinjo) are the same color as 4 of the eggs!

3)Sharkfood Island seems to be leaning. You are able to swim beneath it! It's left and backside aren't even touching the sea floor!

4)In Rusty Bucket Bay, in one of the breakable glass windows of the boat, is a drawing of an overhead view of what seems to be Treasure Trove Cove! There is an X at the bottom right hand corner of the map. Apparantly, the X happens to be Sharkfood Island!

5)There are unclear imprints of Captain Blackeye on the walls where you put together the Jigsaw Puzzle of Gruntilda

6)I took the liberty of drawing out Grunty's Game Show board. After doing so, I was shocked to see that when looking at the drawing from different angles I could see the letters "b-l-a-c-e-y-e"! Blackeye, only no "k" can be seen!

7)In the basement of Mad Monster Mansion, 1881 is written on the lid of 7 barrels. I did some math and here is what I came up with. When 1881 is multiplied times 7, you get 13167. If you add those numbers together you get 18! Now if you multiply 18 times 81 you get 1458. If you add those numbers together you get 18! Multiply 1458 times 7 and you get 10206. Add those numbers together and you get 9! Both 18 and 81 are divisible by 9! Divide 18 and 81 by 9 and you get 2 and 9! Multiply 2 and 9 together and you get 18! Now separate 18 and 81. Multiply 18 times 7 and you get 126. Add those numbers together and you get 9! Now multiply 18 times 9 and you get 162! Add those numbers together and you get 9! Now multiply 81 times 7 and you get 567! Add those numbers together and you get 18! Now multiply 81 times 9 and you get 729! Add those numbers together and you get 18! Now add 1 and 8 and you get 9! Then add 8 and 1 and you get 9! Add both 9s together and you get 18! Or multiply them and get 81! Now add 18 and 81 and you get 99! Add them and you get 18! Multiply them and you get 81!

Now those last two are pretty shocking huh? I'll give more news as I find it!!
Xaos
Hmm...

QUOTE (Hylian1)
1)There are red, blue, yellow, and pink colored flowers in front of Banjo's house. That's the same colors as 4 of the eggs!


I really wouldn't say this is anything, just a selection of flowers..

QUOTE (Hylian1 again)
2)The colors of the Jinjos (with the exception of the orange Jinjo) are the same color as 4 of the eggs!


Once again, I doubt this is a thing to worry about, there were Green, Red, Blue, Yellow and Orange, right? They're basic colors, so I wouldn't worry about that..

QUOTE (Hylian1 once again...)
3)Sharkfood Island seems to be leaning. You are able to swim beneath it! It's left and backside aren't even touching the sea floor!


Have you gone underneath it? Anything there? When you go under it, can you swim up and maybe "go into" Sharkfood Island?

QUOTE (Hylian1 @ and again..)
4)In Rusty Bucket Bay, in one of the breakable glass windows of the boat, is a drawing of an overhead view of what seems to be Treasure Trove Cove! There is an X at the bottom right hand corner of the map. Apparantly, the X happens to be Sharkfood Island!


That was probably just Rare telling people where SharkFood Island is, for when they were meant to release it on Banjo-Tooie or whatever..

QUOTE (Hylian1 @ and again :|)
5)There are unclear imprints of Captain Blackeye on the walls where you put together the Jigsaw Puzzle of Gruntilda


What's that got to do with Stop 'n' Swop?

QUOTE (Hylian1....)
6)I took the liberty of drawing out Grunty's Game Show board. After doing so, I was shocked to see that when looking at the drawing from different angles I could see the letters "b-l-a-c-e-y-e"! Blackeye, only no "k" can be seen!


Now that's what I found interesting. So from your studies, it's something about Captain Blackeye with Stop 'n' Swop. I'd say it also has something to do with that cheat pyramid thing in ..... that beach level, can't remember it's name...

Edit: Treasue Trove Cove? Was that it?

QUOTE (Hylian1 for the final time)
7)In the basement of Mad Monster Mansion, 1881 is written on the lid of 7 barrels. I did some math and here is what I came up with. When 1881 is multiplied times 7, you get 13167. If you add those numbers together you get 18! Now if you multiply 18 times 81 you get 1458. If you add those numbers together you get 18! Multiply 1458 times 7 and you get 10206. Add those numbers together and you get 9! Both 18 and 81 are divisible by 9! Divide 18 and 81 by 9 and you get 2 and 9! Multiply 2 and 9 together and you get 18! Now separate 18 and 81. Multiply 18 times 7 and you get 126. Add those numbers together and you get 9! Now multiply 18 times 9 and you get 162! Add those numbers together and you get 9! Now multiply 81 times 7 and you get 567! Add those numbers together and you get 18! Now multiply 81 times 9 and you get 729! Add those numbers together and you get 18! Now add 1 and 8 and you get 9! Then add 8 and 1 and you get 9! Add both 9s together and you get 18! Or multiply them and get 81! Now add 18 and 81 and you get 99! Add them and you get 18! Multiply them and you get 81!


That's interesting, everything equals 18 or 81..Hmm. Im still wondering about Stop 'n' Swop, it might be one of the questions i'll send in for the Rare employee answering the questions...

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StopNSwopper82
Okay I was well aware of the map on RBB. I never really looked at it that closely though.

The colors of the Jinjos. My first guess was that a special type of Jinjo lives inside of the eggs!!! Something I cal a Gemjo because they were made out of a particular gemstone that matches the color of the egg itself. These creatures would be used in a Secret World most likely Mount Fire Eyes because it's nowhere to be found in B-K and rare mentioned it as a planned world when info. of B-K was released in Nintendo Power. So Sonic the colors of the Jinjos could have something to do with SNS. They do match every color of Jinjo almost. Just combine Yellow and Red and you've got orange so there's not an Orange Egg just a combination of the two colors to indicate at least the Red Egg!

The clumps of flowers outside Banjo's House? Aren't they flat and just growing out of the brown ground? I'd say the Jinjo theory is closer to SNS than this but it could mean something.
Then what about the many flowers of Mumbo's Mountain would that mean that they hold some clue about SNS??? Try counting them all Hylian1 could they equal 18, 9, 7, or 2 of a particular color???

The pictures of Blackeye next to Grunty's Puzzle Picture sound interesting. I'll have to take a look at that.

Now for the letters Blac-eye that's very interesting. That may be the most interesting evidence that you've discovered.

As for Sharkfood Island I never looked at it that closely. Yes try swimming underneath it to see what happens. It's probably just a glitch but you never know.
The sign atop the Island looks like those that are outside of an entrance to a world!!! Could Sharkfood Island be all of Treasure Trove Cove???

Now for 1881 there are 9 worlds in B-K. There are 2 Honeycomb Pieces each. 7 could be the number of Mystery Eggs plus the Ice Key. You should check out the area around the Honeycomb Piece Puzzle Picture. Also look for something in the shape of an 8.

Like I posted in my theories topic.....


1881 equals Six. Why? Well look closely at the two 8s. there's two egg shapes in each making four egg shapes so far.

Add 1 plus 1 (8118) and you get 2 which equals SIX MYSTERY EGGS

Rearrange the numbers like this ...... 811 or 118 and what do you see? THE ICE KEY!!!!!!! The two 1s are the front of the key and the 8 is the back!!! Remember the Ice Key spins on the SNS menu screen!!!!!! the second 8 could symbolize a key hole or the world it unlocks!!!! Very strange eh???

Also you may want to check the year 1881 itself. Is it an exciting year in British history??? Something about pirates???

StopNSwopper82
There seems to be a lot of spiral structures in the game.

Spiral Mountain is one big spiral of course

Mumbo's Mountain has the termite mound inside of it and at the top when you exit it to get the jiggy.

Treasure Trove Cove has three and they are the Lighthouse Mountain area and inside Sharkfood Island. Also Nipper's Shell which is also PINK!!!

Clanker's Cavern doesn't really have any.

Bubblegloop Swamp doesn't really have one.

Freezeezy Peak doesn't really have any either.

Gobi's Valley I believe may have one that curls around a pyramid if I'm not mistaken. King Sandybutt's???

Mad Monster Mansion: No real spiral here.

Rusty Bucket Bay: I think there may be a spiral here not sure.

Click Clock Wood: There's one big spiral that curls around that great tree!!!!

Count those all and you get six as in 6 MYSTERY EGGS!!!! I bet that's just a coincidence but whenever a spiral shape is seen it's normally big!!!
Note that there's more spirals in Treasure Trove Cove than any other world in the game. This may not seem like much but it is a pirate/treasure themed world just like Jolly Rodger's Lagoon!!!!!

You can see the connection bewteen the two worlds especially when you enter Sharkfood island and hear music similar to that of Jolly Rodger's Lagoon!!! Maybe one of those gaps in the pillar was intended to lead you to JRL???
StopNSwopper82
Let's see what else I can think of. Well notice two large horseshoe shaped structures
in consecutive worlds. The Seimicircle Ruins of Mumbo's Mountain and the huge reddish brown Rock Archway in Treasure Trove Cove. Hmmmmm.... I wonder if there's some picture that can be seen in the ruins between the stones??? The number of stone columns??? A picture hidden on the underside of the slanted slippery stone slabs???

About the Rock Archway there's that weird passage to the Lighthouse Mountain. You enter it and pop out on the Mountain. No passage could be that short. Perhaps if you entered it with a Rock Key a door in front of the weird pool with the 1-up that's built into the Archway would open!!!!

What about all those weird seaweed/algae covered stone structures??? Must have risen from the sea. Maybe Sharkfood Island was never supposed to rise? Are the stone structures evidence of some lost civilization that hid away the Pink Egg from any thieves such as BLACKEYE???

Makes me think of Atlantis in BT. The stone structures of TTC looked like they rose from the water. Atlantis of course is sunken??? Connection between the two worlds to Stop N Swop????
StopNSwopper82
********Don't think I'm flooding just trying to make some connections here. Maybe something else you should look into Hylian1 is why the Salty Hippo crashed. Did Blackeye cause it to crash and Blubber wasn't aware? Did Blackeye want to be top pirate by finding the egg first??? Did Blackeye just assume that Blubber was after the egg and decided to foil Blubber's plan knowing that the hippo couldn't swim to it??? Or was it jusst Blubber's bad sailing skills that he just happened to end up trapped on Treasure Trove Cove???

********Is there anything nearby that could have distracted him or frightened him into crashing the ship??? What about so called Blubber's Treasure??? Pirates enjoy stealing so what if that gold was really Blackeye's??? Ever think of that??? he's the only other pirate in the game!!!

*********Perhaps it's Blubber who is the real connection to Stop 'N' Swop. He may seem innocent but maybe it's all an act. perhaps the only reason Blubber crashed his ship was a cover up so whenever he got the chance he could leave his ship and get the egg. I think Blubber and Blackeye are rivals and perhaps the one who stole Blackeye's glory was Blubber himself!!! Perhaps the glory Blackeye is speaking of is Blubber taking over his intended role in Banjo-Kazooie??? Now in BT he has been reduced to a depressed drunk still pouting over Blubber stealing his role!!!

*********Look at it this way if you're going to be creative who would you cast in a role of a pirate? A talking Hippo or a very large drunk pirate unable to get his lines correctly? I'd go with the Hippo therefore Blackeye not being chsoen as the pirate in B-K caused him to pack up his things as commanded and move out of Mad Monster Mansion. He forgot to take down his portrait and left his treasure chest behind because it was too big to carry!!!!

***********Blackeye traveled to Jolly Rodger's Lagoon to drown his sorrows in booze of course calling his drunken behavior the effects of "seasickness". Once a mighty pirate Blackeye was reduced to a has-been in Banjo-Tooie overshadowed by the bumbling Blubber!!! But Blubber and Blackeye are now in the same world but never come in contact because for one Blackeye is too depressed to do anything and Blubber never leaves his shop to know that his rival is nearby!!!



************GOT GLORY??????************
Blubber got a Waveracer at the end of Banjo-Kazooie while Blackeye got nothing.
Once again at the end of Tooie, Blubber got the Saucer of Peril and Blackeye got nothing but a hangover!!!! Perhaps the two were once partners aboard a great pirate ship but greed tore the two apart and their partnership ended. Over the greed of the Pink Mystery Egg??? The Salty Hippo is too small for Blackeye so Blubber could not have stolen Blackeye's ship.

I think perhaps Blackeye was so drunk and upset that he blamed Banjo for stealing his glory instead of Blubber because Banjo was the next person to enter the tavern!!!

When SNS was abandoned by Rare Blackeye is symbolism for the displeasure that Rare has toward the hackers that found the SNS screen. Maybe Blackeye was Rare's way of saying "You cheated to find the Mystery Eggs and Ice Key instead of waiting for us to tell you so therefore you will never know but we will tease you from now on as punishment!!!!" It's revenge and who better than to give revenge than a pirate????


*********Blackeye's punishment********

When Blackeye was ordered to get out of B-K he left behind traces of his stay there at MMM. The portrait and the treasure chest. As punishment in Banjo-Tooie Blackeye was required to still be a drunk!!! Perhaps they ahd a plan for Blackeye but due to hackers to follow an untold storyline they decided that since Blackeye was supposed to move out of MMM and take all of his things but didn't because he so so upset they punished him by reducing his role in BT to a sad drunk. The pictures of the eggs behind him were just pictures that proved his connection to SNS. His intended connection that would be gottenr rid of due to hackers at RWP.
We knew he was connected to SNS but we'd never find out how exactly he was connected!!!

********Rusty Bucket Bay************

Perhaps Blackeye was supposed to be a part of Rusty Bucket Bay but Rare decided one pirate in B-K was more than enough. Maybe the Rusty Bucket is symbolism for SNS. Just look at the words Rusty Bucket Bay B-ACKEY-. it's a symbol of incomplete SNS because not all the letters in Blackeye exist in the world name Rusty Bucket Bay. With Treasure Trove Cove the only letters that make up Blackeye are these --AC-E-E!!! Blackeye was supposed to be a huge part of SNS in the second game but hackers ruined it for us or like it's been stated before Nintendo didn't support hot swopping because it would be taking a risk at messing up the N64 and the games that were swopped.

Only by combining the world names Rusty Bucket Bay, Treasure Trove Cove do you get the best results for spelling out BLACKEYE. The link doesn't really show with Jolly Rodger's Lagoon. See.......-LA--E--!!!!! The msot spaces exist when you try to come up with BLACKEYE from Jolly Rodger's Lagoon. Which means that Blackeye was supposed to have a bigger part in BK than what he had but pulled out and saved for BT but plans got changed so he was reduced to an upset drunk for symbolism of what SNS could have been!!!!!

So all this explanation clearly links Blackeye to SNS and as the character that holds more knowledge about it than any other!!!!!!!!!!!!

How do my theories hold up!!!!! Dang this took well over a dang hour to write!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hylian1
I understand all that you're saying, and it makes sense to a certain extent. I am going now to check out Atlantis in Banjo-Tooie to see what I can find! And I have further evidence on B-T that once again links to Blackeye! I'll post it and other information in a new topic: Stop 'N' Swop/B-T.
StopNSwopper82
What did you agree with and what didn't you agree within my Blackeye theories???

Ever tried investigating the stone structures of TTC for clues???

By the way why doesn't your name appear on the list of remembers currently online???
StopNSwopper82
If there's anything in Atlantis that links to Stop N Swop I'd take a look at those symbols that you use to open the Temple of the Fishes I believe. You may find something startling there!

Doesn't each of the mermaids hold a pedestal that a Mystery Egg could fit on???

What about the floor??? Or hey the Seaweed Sanctum just because the seaweed buildings in TTC came to mind.

Maybe something will surface in the sunken ship.

Did you try the second pond where Tiptup disappeared to???
Hylian1
I agree with all of your theories with Blackeye but 1. When you said that Blubber stole his glory. It could be possible, but Blackeye says "A BEAR stole me glory. Looked a bit like you 'e did!" But then again, I can see where Blubber could be passed off for a bear!

And I don't know why my name doesn't show up. I can see it... don't know why you can't...

Explain the second pond Tiptup disappeared to. Are you referring to the one in front of where he is standing in Jolly Roger's Lagoon?
StopNSwopper82
I mean the pond Tiptup is standing next to and the same one he swims out to after you hatch his baby.

As for the pirate since he was a drunk yes Blubber could be mistaken for a bear and especially Banjo because both Blubber and Banjo are a bit lacking in the intelligence department!!! Both wear a belt with a shiny buckle, both don't wear shirts either!!! To a drunken pirate who saw that Blubber stole his aprt as the pirate of Banjo-Kazooie he was so drunk he thought that Blubber was Banjo!!!!

I meant to include this in the Blackeye theories post I made but forgot.
Hylian1
I'll be sure an dcheck out that pond when I get out of Atlantis!
Walrus_Banjo
MayB just MayB

Blackeye became greedy...so greedy he hid the pink egg in nippers shell...mayB

OR

Notice how u havta hit nippers eyes to hurt him...MayB Nipper And Blackeye Were the same person.

OR Blackeye could have wanted the gold bars in Blubbers Ship So much He Crashed it...MayB the he knew he couldnt take them so he ran...and took the pink egg off to sharkfood island...

MayB
Hylian1
you guys have some very good info! All of it must be taken into consideration!!
Guest
Hey people maybe you have to connect a device from the bottom of the n64 system which connect maybe BK and BT.
fantanoice
I think if there ever was, it would have come with BT or Rareware is hiding it behind Microsoft walls.
Rare
Uh...that device never existed....
Hylian1
I don't think it exists either!
fantanoice
I don't think so either, but if there was only rare would have it.
Hylian1
No, Rare I don't think would be allowed to hold back some type of special accessory.
fantanoice
You never know... Maybe they are. If there was one of these accessories they may want to keep it back for the XBox, a competetion or some auction on Ebay etc.
chinesemonk
To me, thae map I found @ RBB was the only significant clue.
Hylian1
There's plenty of clues other than the map. But there's just so much relevant between B-K and B-T, it takes a lot of searching! I mean, you've basically got to read up on what others have found and compare it with others' findings. It's not going to be an easy task! And something else. Think of how long it's been since Goldeneye was released. Hackers just recently found that the Citadel level was still in the game! Well, a portion of it. But still!
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